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The rendition debate

There is quite a kerfluffle going on now about Obama’s position on extraordinary rendition.

The Los Angeles Times recently reported that “under executive orders issued by Obama recently, the CIA still has authority to carry out what are known as renditions, secret abductions and transfers of prisoners to countries that cooperate with the United States. Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that the rendition program might be poised to play an expanded role going forward because it was the main remaining mechanism — aside from Predator missile strikes — for taking suspected terrorists off the street. ”

In response, Scott Horton at Harper’s makes a necessary distinction between renditions and extraordinary rendition, which presumes the abductee is being taken to a country where s/he will be tortured. One can oppose both; but the opposition has to be on different grounds (opposing warrantless detention depending on the laws of the country involved vs. warrantless detention for the purpose of torture).

As Horton points out, Adolf Eichmann was “rendered.” Also, a number of drug trafficking suspects have been rendered (under Clinton and Bush the First). One might oppose these acts, but its essential to make the distinction between these renditions, what Bush did and Obama’s position.

As one friend from North Carolina Stop Torture Now said on our list serve, “We need more information to determine how much leeway the executive branch is giving the CIA and other non-military agencies. Will we still have black holes? CAN we still kidnap and disappear?  Can we render for reasons other than bringing a person to a judicial proceeding (obviously a fair procedure is required).  If there is secrecy, how do we know if the ‘no more’ torture position is a reality in practice and not just an articulated policy?”

I give President Obama the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Here’s Horton on Rachel Maddow:

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John Yoo has no cojones

Here is a sickening defense of torture — and it is from a coward.  Someone with cojones would have actually used the words:  “I support torture.” But John Yoo is not only wrong and a criminal — he is sin cojones

I’ve included refutations of his argument in parentheses.

Obama Made a Rash Decision on Gitmo
by John Yoo

The president will soon realize that governing involves hard choices. During his first week as commander in chief, President Barack Obama ordered the closure of Guantanamo Bay and terminated the CIA’s special authority to interrogate terrorists.

While these actions will certainly please his base — gone are the cries of an “imperial presidency” (no, a “criminal presidency”)– they will also seriously handicap our intelligence agencies from preventing future terrorist attacks (there is absolutely no proof to sustain this assertion — to the contrary, torture does not produce reliable intelligence and is often counterproductive). In issuing these executive orders, Mr. Obama is returning America to the failed law enforcement approach to fighting terrorism that prevailed before Sept. 11, 2001.(We did not fail because we rejected torture — we faiuled because our leader, Bush, failed to take action on the intellingence we obtained without torturing anyone). He’s also drying up the most valuable sources of intelligence on al Qaeda, which, according to CIA Director Michael Hayden, has come largely out of the tough interrogation of high-level operatives during the early years of the war (neither Hayden nor any other Bush operative has ever come forward with a shred of proof — to the contrary, we know for a fact that torture has severely compromised our ability to convict known terrorists. Also, there is no correlation whatsoever between finding new sources of information and torture — or is Yoo argiung that everyone who may have intel should as a matter of course be tortured?).

The question Mr. Obama should have asked right after the inaugural parade was: What will happen after we capture the next Khalid Sheikh Mohammed or Abu Zubaydah? (I have no doubt Obama asked that question — and the answer is that you obtain better, more consistent and more reliable intel without torturing people). Instead, he took action without a meeting of his full national security staff, and without a legal review of all the policy options available to meet the threats facing our country (his full national security staff and other legal professionals did these reviews long ago — competence in an administration is not something Yoo is apparently familiar with).

What such a review would have made clear is that the civilian law-enforcement system cannot prevent terrorist attacks (again, no proof, John — maybe you left your evidence in your cojones box). What is needed are the tools to gain vital intelligence, which is why, under President George W. Bush, the CIA could hold and interrogate high-value al Qaeda leaders. On the advice of his intelligence advisers, the president could have authorized coercive interrogation methods like those used by Israel and Great Britain in their antiterrorism campaigns. (He could even authorize waterboarding, which he did three times in the years after 9/11.) (and there is no evidence again that waterboarding gave us good, reliable intel that could not have been obtained another way — but waterboarding certainly prevented us from being able to convict)

Mr. Obama has also ordered that all military commission trials be stayed and that the case of Ali Saleh al-Marri, the only al Qaeda operative now held on U.S. soil, be reviewed (wait — but you just recommended a review — so unless Obama is drowning people, he is not doing anything?). This seems a prelude to closing the military commissions down entirely and transferring the detainees’ cases to U.S. civilian courts for prosecution under ordinary criminal law. Military commission trials have been used in most American wars, and their rules and procedures are designed around the need to protect intelligence sources and methods from revelation in open court.

It’s also likely Mr. Obama will declare terrorists to be prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions. The Bush administration classified terrorists — well supported by legal and historical precedent — like pirates, illegal combatants who do not fight on behalf of a nation and refuse to obey the laws of war.

The CIA must now conduct interrogations according to the rules of the Army Field Manual, which prohibits coercive techniques, threats and promises (come on, John — say it — TORTURE!), and the good-cop bad-cop routines used in police stations throughout America. Mr. Obama has also ordered that al Qaeda leaders are to be protected from “outrages on personal dignity” and “humiliating and degrading treatment” in accord with the Geneva Conventions. His new order amounts to requiring — on penalty of prosecution — that CIA interrogators be polite (this is so condescending and vile — legal interrogations have nothing to do with Miss Manners and Yoo knows it)”. Coercive measures are unwisely banned with no exceptions, regardless of the danger confronting the country.

Eliminating the Bush system will mean that we will get no more information from captured al Qaeda terrorists (where’s your evidence, John?). Every prisoner will have the right to a lawyer (which they will surely demand) (as most did under Bush and while Yoo was at Justice), the right to remain silent, and the right to a speedy trial.

The first thing any lawyer will do is tell his clients to shut up (so now Yoo is for torture and against any defense and for review except when he’s not – I think he’s under the impression that “terrorists” come with bar codes at birth — no questions about guilt or innocence from him). The KSMs or Abu Zubaydahs of the future will respond to no verbal questioning or trickery — which is precisely why the Bush administration felt compelled to use more coercive measures in the first place. Our soldiers and agents in the field will have to run more risks as they must secure physical evidence at the point of capture and maintain a chain of custody that will stand up to the standards of a civilian court.

Relying on the civilian justice system (here is a fine straw man — Obama has never suggested that suspected terrorists be reverted entirely to the civilian justice system — but by now, Yoo has run out of arguments and is just making things up) not only robs us of the most effective intelligence tool to avert future attacks, it provides an opportunity for our enemies to obtain intelligence on us. If terrorists are now to be treated as ordinary criminals, their defense lawyers will insist that the government produce in open court all U.S. intelligence on their client along with the methods used by the CIA and NSA to get it. A defendant’s constitutional right to demand the government’s files often forces prosecutors to offer plea bargains to spies rather than risk disclosure of intelligence secrets.

Zacarias Moussaoui, the only member of the 9/11 cell arrested before the attack, turned his trial into a circus by making such demands. He was convicted after four years of pretrial wrangling only because he chose to plead guilty. Expect more of this, but with far more valuable intelligence at stake. (Yet he is the only one who was successfully prosecuted and convicted — without torture)

It is naïve to say, as Mr. Obama did in his inaugural speech, that we can “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.” That high-flying rhetoric means that we must give al Qaeda — a hardened enemy committed to our destruction — the same rights as garden-variety criminals at the cost of losing critical intelligence about real, future threats (absolutely no one argues this — another straw man from Yoo).

Government policy choices are all about trade-offs, which cannot simply be wished away by rhetoric (here I agree — tradeoffs like giving up on law from criminal acts — I hope Mr. Yoo has plans to visit Europe soon, but I suggest he pack for a long and chilly stay in a holding cell at the Hague — talk about a cheap European vacation!). Mr. Obama seems to have respected these realities in his hesitation to end the NSA’s electronic surveillance programs, or to stop the use of predator drones to target individual al=2 0Qaeda leaders.

But in his decisions taken so precipitously just two days after the inauguration, Mr. Obama may have opened the door to further terrorist acts on U.S. soil by shattering some of the nation’s most critical defenses. (If anyone can be tagged with this it is Bush — for dragging us into a needless war, torturing the innocent and suspect alike and recruiting untold thousands of young people to Islamic extremism).

Robin Kirk

New Yorker writer Jane Mayer has a new piece on President Obama;s thinking on torture.  A vignette that stands out (and was highlighted by Swampland, the Time political blog) show how deeply our military abhors torture.

Marine General Charles Chuck Krulak

Marine General Charles "Chuck" Krulak

Not only is this important for the right to understand; the left, which has a knee-jerk reaction to anything in uniform, should take note.

Protests against sites like the School of the Americas — with its admittedly shameful past of supporting and teaching torture — fail to take into account the fact that THINGS HAVE CHANGED.  Today, our best arguments against torture come from the men and women who might face it as part of their commitment to serving our country. As long as they teach against torture, as they currently do, the School of the Americas should be supported and expanded.

So I disagree with groups like School of the Americas Watch, which advocate for the closure of one of the main military facilities that instructs other militaries. There is no better way to teach foreign militaries that torture is wrong and counterproductive

Here’s is Mayer’s take, with Obama victorious at the Iowa caucuses:

Obama was “very excited” that day in Iowa, one participant in the off-the-record meeting recalled, “because he had just gotten polls showing that he was ahead,” but he didn’t seem particularly “comfortable” with the military delegation. The group of military men, which included retired four-star Generals Dave Maddox and Joseph Hoar, lectured Obama about the importance of being Commander-in-Chief. In particular, they warned him that every word he uttered would be taken as an order by the highest-ranking officers as well as the lowliest private. Any wiggle room for abusive interrogations, they emphasized, would be construed as permission… (Obama) asked smart questions, but didn’t seem inspired by it. He totally understood the effect that Abu Ghraib had on America’s reputation,” said the participant. But in general, “he was very businesslike. He didn’t flatter the officers,” as most of the other candidates had. In addition, Obama’s staff, the participant said, approached the meeting with the retired officers with less urgency than some of the other campaigns. “But,” in retrospect, the participant said, “it started an education process.” Last month, several members of the same group met with both (Greg) Craig, who by then was slated to become Obama’s top legal adviser, and Attorney General-designate Eric Holder. The two future Obama Administration lawyers were particularly taken with a retired four-star Marine General and conservative Republican named Charles “Chuck” Krulak. Krulak insisted that ending the Bush Administration’s coercive interrogation and detention regime was “right for America and right for the world,” a participant recalled, and promised that if the Obama Administration did what he described as “the right thing,” which he acknowledged wouldn’t be politically easy, he would personally “fly cover” for them. Last week, as Obama signed the executive order, sixteen retired generals and flag officers from the same group did just that. Told on Monday that they were needed at the White House, they flew to the capital from as far away as California, a phalanx of square-jawed certified patriots providing cover to Obama’s announcement. Shortly before the signing ceremony, Craig said, Obama met with the officers in the Roosevelt Room, along with Vice President Biden and several other top administration officials. “It was hugely important to the president to have the input from these military people,” Craig said, “not only because of their proven concern for protecting the American people—they’d dedicated their lives to it—but also because some had their own experience they could speak from.” Two of the officers had sons serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of them, retired Major General Paul Eaton, stressed that, as he put it later that day, “torture is the tool of the lazy, the stupid, and the pseudo-tough. It’s also perhaps the greatest recruiting tool that the terrorists have.” The feeling in the room, as retired Rear Admiral John Hutson later put it, “was joy, perhaps, that the country was getting back on track.”

Robin Kirk

Take that, Addison and Yoo, et. al.

From today’s Washington Post:

…in a broad swipe at the Bush administration’s lawyers, Obama nullified every legal order and opinion on interrogations issued by any lawyer in the executive branch after Sept. 11, 2001.

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Truth and reconciliation for the US

Paul Krugman makes a powerful appeal in Rolling Stone:

I’m an economist, but I’m also an American citizen — and like many citizens, I spent the past eight years watching in horror as the Bush administration betrayed the nation’s ideals. And I don’t believe we can put those terrible years behind us unless we have a full accounting of what really happened. I know that most of the inside-the-Beltway crowd is urging you to let bygones be bygones, just as they urged Bill Clinton to let the truth about scandals from the Reagan-Bush years, in particular the Iran-Contra affair, remain hidden. But we know how that turned out: The same people who abused power in the name of national security 20 years ago returned as part of the team that, under the second George Bush, did it all over again, on a much larger scale. It was an object lesson in the truth of George Santayana’s dictum: Those who refuse to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.

That’s why this time we need a full accounting. Not a witch hunt, maybe not even prosecutions, but something like the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that helped South Africa come to terms with what happened under apartheid. We need to know how America ended up fighting a war to eliminate nonexistent weapons, how torture became a routine instrument of U.S. policy, how the Justice Department became an instrument of political persecution, how brazen corruption flourished not only in Iraq, but throughout Congress and the administration. We know that these evils were not, whatever the apologists say, the result of honest error or a few bad apples: The White House created a climate in which abuse became commonplace, and in many cases probably took the lead in instigating these abuses. But it’s not enough to leave this reality in the realm of things “everybody knows” — because soon enough they’ll be denied or forgotten, and the cycle of abuse will begin again. The whole sordid tale needs to be brought out into the sunlight.

One note, however. UN Special Rapporteur on Torture Manfred Nowak has already said that prosecutions must be a part of the equation — as it was in the South Africa example Krugman cites.

“Judicially speaking, the United States has a clear obligation,” he told German television yesterday. The US has ratified the UN convention on torture, which requires “all means, particularly penal law” to be used to bring proceedings against those violating it. “We have all these documents that are now publicly available that prove that these methods of interrogation were intentionally ordered by Rumsfeld.”